In this conversation between John and Ann, an archetypal dream scenario unfolds. (This recording does have some difficult passages, in terms of audio quality, but the text is provided to clarify any uncertain wording. It’s a journey worth pursuing! At the end of this post there are instructions and a link to download this recording to your computer.)
John: It was another active night of dreaming. Did you dream actively too?
Ann: Well, I wrote it up here this morning because I finally was able to put my finger on it. The dream theme has been organizing. It’s like there are three parts to the organization and every night it’s been different dreams, very in depth, but organizing, and it has to do with three.
Like one night I was dreaming and organizing people into these three groups…
John: When you’re working with three you’re shifting something in. One step links to the next step links to the next step and what’s really, really unusual, that even a lot of teachers don’t notice, is that there actually is a fourth step. But mostly it’s three steps over and over again.
The first step is good for your foundation, the second step puts you into an aspect of how you correlate a motion with it, but aren’t necessarily conscious, but are unfolding nevertheless in that regard, and the third step is generally a breakthrough.
So let’s see how you did it.
Ann: Okay. In one of the first dreams I just remember that there were groups of people and I didn’t necessarily know the people, but I had to organize the people into these three groups. And so at one point I remember shifting some of the people around and moving them and thinking well no, that’s not quite right, and then finally, towards the end of that particular dream, I’d stand back and think okay, now that’s the way it should be.
John: It is said that on this path we are the designers, and what you’re doing is you’re shaping something. You’re attempting to tune in to a center of listening that knows how something is meant to be.
In other words, how it’s to be contained, or how it’s to be in the overall. That’s the general motif that you, so to speak, feel in your bones, or in other words, whenever I say that one’s feeling this so to speak in their bones, and so you go around and around to try to get it to come out or to flow or to come together, it’s like something that’s felt in the bones is like an inner vibration that is trying to live through you.
In other words, the way you live in the outer is one thing, identifying with your senses and how you perceive off of that and such. This other is like a whole other dimension that has you taking on, if one was describing it in a shamanistic way, your spot, your point in the whole. In other words, how it is that everything cycles. It’s like you being the essence and everything’s cycled around that, is perhaps another way of saying it.
That’s not quite right because everything is the wholeness. Nothing is distinguishable, but it’s how it kind of can be inclined to feel when you are trying to pull it all together.
So how does it work in the second dream?
Ann: The second dream earlier this week, I had lists of things and I had files and lists and I was trying to organize these things into these three lists. I just remember three kept coming up.
John: That trait that you’re describing is what the teacher says is the greatest problem for the feminine. The masculine is another word for it, that its greatest problem, and there are actually two things that are considered the big problem for the feminine, and you’re doing the second here. You’re not able to stop your doingness.
In other words, the feminine is a container energy, but then it can get lost in the minutia of its doingness, where it’s got this and this and this and that and that and that. So you have this central thing that is pushing you, the essence of something trying to come through that’s pushing you, and the way you’re working with it is you’re making your lists to try to pull it together, thinking that the list will pull it together.
Actually what happens is you kill the energy that way, but you make it so mundane, you make it so tight, you make it so dense that you put yourself in a mud puddle of suffering. You know, in trying to make the list work because the list format won’t work, because the list format is based upon how all of this needs to portray itself in the outer.
See, the vibration is an innerness coming in, and the list is an attempt to orchestrate that in the outer. I mean, this is the best you can do to catch up with it. I mean, you’ve done your best to try to contain the whole essence of what it is that’s in your bones so to speak, and because you’re in the outer your faculties come to bear then, and try to make lists to help it, but everything is being done in relationship to the outer, which is the reflective deadness of things.
And once in a while you get a break and something actually kind of works, and that spoils you. Because it’s kind of like maybe more by accident, because the inner is what is alive and the outer is the reflective or the dormant, and most of the time it’s on a slightly different tango. So, that’s how you are trying to work with it. Now let’s see if the third aspect shows you making the breakthrough.
Ann: Yeah, this is the last dream I had last night and so I’m kind of like sitting, I’m sitting at like a table or something, and I’m looking up at this great big screen and it’s like you know how you have documents on your computer and you have them in icons?
I had these icons and I kept moving them around and moving them around and thinking okay, I can’t quite get this but I was moving them around knowing that they were supposed to sort of be in a sequence or something, and all of a sudden it was like I moved them and I just sat there and I said, “Oh, I got it, I got it,” and then I woke up.
John: Huh. Now that would be different for the masculine than for the feminine. No wonder I created such a reaction when I was playing with this idea of the mystic versus the alchemist.
It’s the masculine needs to figure out how to be the alchemist. The feminine is naturally the alchemist. It’s the feminine that needs to figure out how to be the mystic, how to see.
That’s what you’re doing is you get to the point where aha, you see, and… I don’t know, this is so simple. I am surprised I didn’t make this correlation before, because a lot of times when I’m talking to the feminine, suddenly there’s the aha moment, the light bulb moment.
It is really pronounced with this little old lady that I talk to that’s like 70 some years old, and she’ll quibble and struggle with how it is that she perceives because she’s had a lifetime of experiences. And often times I’m just trying to get this to come through, trying to get this to come through, and all of a sudden maybe I trip through whatever the barrier is.
Usually it doesn’t work that way to try to press something through, but she’s got such a good heart that it can happen that way too. And so when it does, it’s like you just hear this huge in-breath, ahh, it’s an aha moment. She got it, and it doesn’t mean she can hold onto it. It was a very fast flash. It’s a sight. It’s a seeing.
And then the tendency is her basic nature is so slower and so she could fall back and it can veil right up again, and so I’m learning to try to figure out how to do this more smoothly because I have to jam it through. It runs counter to a person’s assimilation process.
So what was happening in your particular case was you were going at this at a pace, where first of all you are confronted with what it is that is your greater responsibility in terms of who and what you really are. That’s your first dream, where you are feeling it in the bones.
But because you’re in the outer, and not on the inner, because you’re in the physical body, you’re trying to sort this out by working with the outer characteristics, and so you are trying to rearrange that. You’re making your list. You’re thinking that this way you’ll catch up with it.
But that approach is disrespectful to the inner, because it’s the inner where the attention needs to be placed, and not in the outer. The outer is reflective of the inner. Yes, on some level you can say that the inner and the outer come together, but that’s just like light and sound are, you know, a way of looking at it they’re just at different speeds.
And in the last, you pull together the inner and the outer with your aha moment, with that flash that you got. That works that way over and over and over and over and over again. You need that inflection. You need that sight.
This is something that I pondered, and how funny I never made the association with the masculine and feminine like this before, I’ve made the association in terms of thinking, feeling, intuition, and sensation.
And I identify in myself the sensation being the imbalance, and when it’s in balance I have more of an alchemical side working. I’ve often noticed that when a woman is very subjected and holds something inside of herself as a great knowingness, that needs to be jostled through, that it’s almost like her thinking function is jumping around and when it suddenly hits and then out through the intuitional flash comes the knowing, that’s like a sight.
And that works for her. The trigger being the thinking, and in this case, the intuition being the knowingness that just comes through. And then can you hold that pace, that speed? Because the tendency is, because we live in the 99.9% world of senses, is the tendency then to go back to that world of sound, so to speak, instead of the world of light, the world where you mystically see it and get it. You mystically seeing something and getting it, causes it to come through.
The masculine being able to take what it sees and somehow or another function with it, in terms of the outer, that’s the alchemical linkage. Strictly speaking the alchemical is the feminine, but she doesn’t have the masculine. Strictly speaking the masculine is the mystical, the mystic, that doesn’t have the alchemical.
It is very interesting. What happens is you tend to have to, if you’re a woman, you have to find the masculine side of yourself, which is that light, that spark.
In other words, it is like it comes down. It’s like a seed thought or something. It comes down and it finds its correspondence on the plains of wholeness. Now, if you don’t have a greater relationship or connection with that, then you fiddle around and with your moods and mannerisms you make your checklist, and you’re caught up in your doingness.
And it ain’t gonna go very far. Well, you know… It nauseates you. I mean, you know, usually you find yourself all worn out. It should have worked. I mean, you know, you took great care in making these lists, and these lists made sense because you did hear something in the bones so to speak from which to generate the list.
Now, where one gets into trouble is it’s a little bit like the gambler, like the gambler that goes down let’s say and he gets on the slot machine and he hits the jackpot. He shouldn’t of course, statistically he’s going to lose, but once he hit this jackpot he gets to imagine he’s infallible and so he thinks he can repeat this over and over and over again, and now he’s hooked and now he’s lost.
Well, the same thing can happen when you feel something in your bones and you start to make your checklist. Sometimes something is still kind of alive yet, in the outer reflection, that does correspond a wee bit to this inner thing, and when that hits then you get to thinking that it works that way.
It was only by accident that it worked that way, that that something at the slower vibration hadn’t been left behind or something, that things had moved on or whatever, in terms of the speed of things, and so you then are inclined to indulge even more. And you’re inclined to put up barriers, hissy fit barriers to fight to make that work.
I mean, you’re right – these lists have gotta make it work. You’ve done your thing. These lists is where it’s at, and it’s only when you settle back that you can come to recognize that it’s this light bulb flash.
There are other ways of describing it too. Take for example dream interpretation. It’s almost somewhat of a list orientation, if you take a dream and try to understand it in terms of its symbolism.
However, the light of it, or the flash of it, comes from a knowingness that is on a mystical level. You just know it, and if you take and apply the symbolism, sometimes you’re right and sometimes you’re wrong.
And so what happens is most places where you have dream interpretation you have what this means and what that means kind of thing, and you have that kind of twisted perception.
It never jumps to the inner. It jumps to the outer correlation, which sometimes is okay and sometimes is not, but if you really feel it, it’s always missing something. It’s missing the overdrive. It’s missing the greater meaning. It might have a bit of a lesser meaning, and sometimes it misses that completely too, because things have passed it by. It’s dead energy, because it’s reflective.
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