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the-dreamer-carlos-solisSo, where does a spiritual path really take us? What is the point? Well, it may not be a point exactly, but a state – a way of being. And this way of being is one where we have merged with what is divine in us, which connects us to the rest of creation. And that dreamed state, as John describes it here, is a conscious state, yet one where we let go of our planetary identity and become an agent of the processes of creation itself. That is the nature of service that a human being has been designed to attain and perform – on behalf of everything. (At the end of this post there are instructions and a link to download this recording to your computer.)

Jeane: Well my early dreaming seemed to just be about watching different things like Cirque du Soleil or some kind of acts. I don’t remember much from it because it’s almost like I was watching one act versus another, particularly Mystere, so I don’t remember much about that. I was just comparing one to the other or something.

And then the later dream I had it’s like I’m in high school and it must be around graduation time. I may have been, before that, flirting with one guy that I knew, but then I invite this guy home that people wouldn’t really think that I like. He’s kind of conservative and heavyset, but there’s something about him I like. It’s like almost maybe his sense of values that he has or something.

So I invite him up. My mother’s fixing dinner, so I just introduce them and then I show him that I actually have a place where I live that’s more like an attached garage. It’s right across from the house, or nearby, so I take him out there where there are some tables set up for a dinner we’re having later that night.

I’m kind of making out with him. Then he suggests we go back in the house because my mother’s there, and I realize he’s right, you know, I have some other friends that come then, but I just have to take some curlers out of my hair first. I don’t even know why I put them in.

I’m actually glad because I feel like it’s good we should go in the house so we’re all where my mother is. So we all go in there. That was all the dream was.

John: The theme of the dreaming last night was to be able to be in this inner place in a way in which you allow yourself to experience it for what it was really like and, until one does that, you’re plagued by an in-between imaginative pressure that tries to reconcile some sort of perceived imbalance that exists between the inner vibratory state – that you need to be able to orient yourself to – and the way that the outer is, which is inclined to be something a little different than the perceived inner images.

You dream something like this in order to catch up with a particular vibration that you’re able to hold onto, or to fulfill, or lift yourself up, as a type of balance. You’re working with the principle of dream, dreamer, and dreamed. You could look at your dream from the standpoint of dream and dreamer and, if you do, you can have these kinds of dreams forever and ever and ever, because one element is still missing. And the element that’s missing is called the dreamed.

And what the dreamed is, is it’s this vibratory state, or inner world, that you connect to that has you experiencing something that you can only experience in such a dream state. In the outer you’re afflicted by your notionality, your mannerisms to try to get to a particular point, or be in a particular space, and so the best you do is you proximate that. That approximating of that gets closer and closer and closer to the dreamed.

Another way of saying it is that, when you have just the dream and the dreamer you have the various states that influence, or affect, and you can go through those and they can have a pattern or a mannerism each time. And that pattern and mannerism invokes, as a deeper quality, a way of wanting to feel something, or the idea of how it is that you need to feel something that seems amiss inside of one’s self.

And in the dreamed state, you’re creating the result that leads to that being fulfilled or full. The dreamed state is really, really powerful. You can get lost in this dreamed state, in terms of getting lost in the kundalini of this effect, because it is possible to take and eventually merge with that to such a degree that, without a guided connection to an even greater quality of flow inside of yourself, you can live in this zone that’s more on a shamanistic level only. It doesn’t transcend the shamanistic level when you are able to experience yourself, being able to transmute yourself, or in some instances even able to be in two different places at the same time.

And this is possible, even though it’s not something that is readily discussed or talked about or known, this is possible when you develop a relationship that is able to live the states of the dreamer and the dream. You’re able to live that, and you live that by the essence of the energy of that, which then turns this into “dreamed.”

In other words I’m taking what you’re doing and showing you the power of that and the fact that this kind of keeps revolving, a vibration like this keeps revolving, suggests that you’re trying to catch up to a particular dreamed quality. To totally catch up with that dreamed quality is the same then of taking the innerness and bringing it right through into the outer, because it is then possible, in a type of magic, for the two to come together.

When you pull it together where you have the dream, dreamer, and dreamed properly pulled together, then whose thought is it? And what action is invoked? In other words, what is going on with you takes on a proximity of automatic nature, in terms of inner and outer looking and becoming more largely the same.

And usually what you find is a person doesn’t understand the principle, or realize what is going on in them in a denser outer world. And so what happens is, is they tend to dwell upon something that isn’t quite coming together for them, for whatever particular reasons in terms of how it is that they see themselves emerging, consciously, and that emerging is based upon something from within.

How it is understood in the outer is where the dilemma comes in. And so if they have this something in the inner and then go out of their way to annihilate things in the outer – to try to create the inner and the outer semblance that way – they destroy the potentiality, generally they do, because they don’t know what it is that they’re annihilating – in terms of its importance to the process.

It generally fits in some sort of fashion as something that stimulates the dreamed state in terms of its differentiality that has to be sorted out in terms of reflections. You take away the prima materia of that, thinking that you can just steer it according to a singular unfoldment, and you actually find yourself hurting the dreamed condition.

Why is that? Well, the reason is because the dreamed condition that you experience, which becomes when you walk around in it and keep experiencing it in a lucid way, is something that you’re able to bring right straight down and through as a way of carrying and conducting yourself. You can eventually bring that right straight through into the outer, but you do that without having to alter or try to make changes to accommodate it – which would be again, in this way of looking and understanding the flow of life, would be attempting to do something spiritual, as if that’s something that takes you to catching up with a need.

The reason behind a dream like this is for you to learn that it’s okay to sit in this dreamtime state, but to realize that it’s an archetypal zone often associated with just pure shamanistic mannerism, but is eminently important because the next phase, or step, or process after that is how this, then, emulates in an expanse into the whole.

To begin with it just becomes something that you cater to in kind of a nuance way, and it holds its fascination. But eventually it has a greater meaning, in terms of the overall whole, because that’s how, and who, and what we really are.

And so when you have these various vibrations, the meaning that it holds with you is in the vibration of the dream as you are sitting there as the dreamer – you become the dreamed when you hold onto that vibration.

So the meaning of the dream, the psychological imbalances this way and that way and the other are all secondary and of no real significance in terms of where this is going. What is important is to make the shift.

This is the doorway that the teacher talks about that you have to be able to walk through, that he can’t take you through. He can show you the doorway, he can show you what it feels like, and all of that. But this is the doorway you have to walk through. You have to be able to carry that vibration.

Now, where does the vibration come from? It’s as if this vibration comes from a part of yourself that’s three-million-years-old or something because it is alive and quickened. And, typically speaking, to catch up with the images of this greater aspect of who you are, you have to be in an outer state in which there are issues that stand in the way, or make it awkward.

And so on the outer it has the appearance of an awkwardness, from time to time, in terms of the fact that the outer always seems to create a counterbalance. And on the inner, the aliveness of that dream state can be most incredible, as if it’s filling something that is missing in the outer, but it’s filling it from the three-million-year-old qualities of yourself that have a memory of being able to embrace the overall in this particular way. A particular way, though, that is more than the image that you perceive.

The image that you perceive is the state that lies between that vibration in its essence, and the outer which has its struggle and complexities, and you learn to experience this as something that it can extend to an outer. And you have to allow yourself to experience this dreamtime, once you start invoking it beyond a particular point, or it will make you sad. Because it is a whole zone moving that awakens inside of a person that has to be lived, but it’s lived in a way that is different than what you are inclined to think. It’s lived in this other-side state in which you hold that vibration.

And so when you hold that vibration this, then, becomes the quality of a type of innocence that, in the vibratory state, when you mix thoughts and ideas from the outer, you can see it differently, or you can interpret it as suggesting something even differently.

But what it is doing is, it is causing you to recognize that an ability to carry the space, no matter what the circumstances around you look like, is to be able to walk around in a type of joy and appreciation that doesn’t come from the outer. It comes from this inner auric overallness that you’re able to reside in, that you’re able to sit in, that is your point. It’s like finding your point.

In shamanism it’s a practice to try to find your point where you should sit like in the outer, and that is symbolic, it’s meant to get you to the next step after that, which is to know what that point is able to feel like, in a lived-station way, on the inner.

Different than looking at your dream in terms of the action of the dream, the greater importance, and the reason why one dreams like one dreams, is that behind all of the dreams is this dreamed state and sense that is there, that can feel wonderful and/or take you through strange states too on the way to feeling wonderful.

And you have to be able to handle that dreamed state, because that’s the dimension that you really exist in. You don’t exist in the limited dimension of your senses and your mind. Well, you do, but with a 60-year lifespan of cognition, as opposed to, say, the greater man inside of yourself that has the whole experientiality of something like three million years, just to coin a way of saying it, of wealth in terms of well being that it has caught up with.

It’s the next phase in terms of where one goes with the dreaming. It’s a phase that has limitations in it because it’s not exactly true that you go this way, but it is a possibility. And so you have to be shown this way, and then from that you sort out what it is that has the polish to what is an aimed mannerism inside of yourself, so that you don’t take and reside in the holding on of, and the shaping of, that which is conditional. You can do that, too.

And that’s why the thought is said to be so creative, is because it’s not the thought per se that you see in the average person walking around. It’s the thought that exists as a vibration, as an essence, as a flow, as a whole sense of things that exudes out, that is part of this dreamtime.

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Jeane: There was something else I wanted to express about the experience here in Las Vegas, where we are working on purchasing some property, and that is that I have become aware of what I would call a “thief” energy in this environment that we need to be conscious about (for prior entries in this thread see Inner Property and Change of State).

I say that out loud as a reminder that we need to be aware of how we do things, and it began the moment we arrived here. It seems to be part of the test, so to speak.

John: Yes, that seems to be true. There is a kind of waywardness, or haphazardness, that seems to predominate, and it’s constantly on the lookout to capture the person who is in a state of unconsciousness.

It’s interesting because that thief energy, as you call it, is actually more of an abstraction or distraction from what is actually here in the desert of Nevada. There is a deep inner wonder that lies beneath all of that external noise, which is at the depth, or the essence, of Las Vegas itself.

It’s easy to not catch up with it, or appreciate that depth, or that wonder. It’s even harder for it to reveal itself if one is constantly having to deal with the peculiarities of daily life here. Yet both aspects come with the energetic territory of being here. In fact, it is the underlying energy here that makes what has become “Las Vegas” possible, on some level.

In a sense, Las Vegas challenges us to go inside and bring forth a deeper appreciation than is found on the surface of things. Las Vegas has been contaminated by this thief energy, which probably goes all the way back to how the city was formed around the businesses of gambling, sex, alcohol, etc.

A business friend of mine who loves Las Vegas would say that it has all the best business opportunities to invest in – the “Sin Tax” businesses – because there are always more people drawn into the energies of it.

And so what you’re looking at in your dreams, and what I’m looking at in mine, is that there is a note that transcends through it all, and that note is more important than anything else that might get carried along with it.

It’s an expression, on a deeper level, that one needs to reach in order to find the full appreciation of what is at play. Because what is behind all this larger-than-life energy of Las Vegas is a power that’s even greater.

There is a note. And we don’t have to go through the consequences of being in such a lower-self vibration, which could plague and disturb and unravel. We can instead hear this note that lies beyond all of that, and remember that that is what’s important, and that’s what makes Las Vegas what it is in terms of the real heartbeat.

So the challenge is to stay with the note, and not be distracted by the bizarreness that is constantly before us. And, of course, that doesn’t mean, staying away from it, it means staying within ourselves when we are in it.

Ultimately that is the test of a spiritual journey. It’s much different being spiritual in a monastery on the hill, than it is being able to carry our spirituality within us wherever we go and whatever we come across. Until it is completely in us, everything we encounter in our outer life will show us where we are weakest and where we need the most work to set ourselves free.

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John: The dream we last discussed (see The Gathering) is showing you that the way to try to grasp, or connect with, the overallness of life – a fuller dimension of life – is you have to be empty in yourself. And the way you empty yourself is to give up something inside – you offer it up. Basically the images are showing you do that by your attempts to “throw it out there.”

When you do that, by letting go of whatever it is that you are holding onto, it enables you to come out of that shell that is holding you captive. That is what you are practicing. The images are a visualization of how to let go of something so that it does not stick to you (the stubby pencil).

By attempting this release, you are opening yourself up so something greater that can come in. You are also recognizing that you need to connect to, or link with, more energy – that is the energy of the kundalini.

So, in effect, your efforts to release an aspect of yourself that you have been holding onto makes you emptier, and therefore more available, for new energy to come in. And that energy is part of the overallness, not just a different psychological mannerism.

The imagery is also showing that you are embracing an aspect of ownership and responsibility toward the process. You are making it conscious – then, rather than your inner aspects all being separate islands, they become parts of a greater territory, or possession.

It’s a very difficult thing to make oneself empty. Each of us is veiled in our own particular way. We tend to create our own conflict and harshness when we don’t recognize the psychological veils we have in ourselves, and we also don’t give allowance for them in others. That creates a condition where there is a lack of forgiveness, whether within ourselves or in our relationships.

Spiritual development requires that we let these veils go – it is the process that allows the limitless energy we are connected with to come through. Part of you understands this and you are practicing the way to do it. You have caught the idea that this is what it is all about.

You see our memories, our mannerisms, our psychologies are all elements that create a stickiness in us. If we experience something new, and our reaction is to say, “Oh, it’s just like that other thing,” our own stickiness has prevented the flow of what the new thing really is. We cut ourselves off from what is really going on.

Another example might be our anticipation or expectation of people or events. We approach an experience with a visualization that we have created from our own wants, desires, psychologies, and all the rest. When we get there and the scenario doesn’t match our visualization, we are disappointed. That is our own stickiness that has prevented us from having the real experience.

We shouldn’t be constantly making distinctions in our lives about all we come in contact with, we should be empty and allow the energy from within to flow into the circumstance. That way we are always connected.

In letting go of these points of stickiness, we become emptier in ourselves, yet allow ourselves to become filled with the energy and light of the overall. We, as humans, have to let that inner light fill us up.

In your dream, you are getting guidance from inside that is telling you that you have to break away from that which sticks, and learn to have a greater space so that more can be embraced and taken in. That is a huge step that is being offered to you.

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